Shadowmoor Sealed Deck Tutorial with Josh Ravitz - Transcript
For those of you who weren't aware of the event, this was the prize for winning the MTGOCasual April/May Championships - a 3 hour tutorial on any topic the winner wished. MingSheng selected Shadowmoor Sealed as his topic, and so with 3 sealed deck sets ready to go, Josh and MingSheng walk through each pool and the optimal decks to be played. Look for this same prize to be available in future Monthly Championships.
If you want to test your sealed deck building prowess, download the .dek files below, upload them in the deck editor screen, then build the best deck you can. The first two .dek files include already built decks, which MingSheng used in his own sealed events; Josh and MingSheng walk through those sealed deck pools in order to determine the optimal builds. The third .dek file is a pool that I opened in my own event; however, the .dek file is saved so that everything starts in the sideboard. After you've done this, read the transcript below to see if you ended up where Josh Ravitz did.
(NOTE: To save these files and upload them in the MTGO Deck Editor, right click each link and choose "Save link as")
TRANSCRIPT TABLE OF CONTENTS:
General SHM Sealed Advice: 3:19 - 3:25
Sealed Deck 1: 3:25 - 4:28
Sealed Deck 2: 4:34 - 5:14
Sealed Deck 3: 5:15 - 5:47
Conclusion and General Advice: 5:47 - 5:56
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3:19 PM jravitz: ok wellwhat's important to note in this format
3:19 PM jravitz: as opposed to other formats
3:19 PM jravitz: is that there are an abundance of gold cards
3:19 PM jravitz: so much so that we actually only have like what, 7 or 8 of each colored (regular) cards
3:20 PM jravitz: so really more often than not the gold cards will dictate what we can play
3:20 PM Pillowcase: right
3:20 PM jravitz: in real life
3:20 PM jravitz: if you were building a sealed deck cardpool
3:20 PM jravitz: i'd suggestyoumake about 12 piles
3:20 PM jravitz: each guild, each color
3:20 PM jravitz: and artifacts
3:20 PM jravitz: and lands
3:21 PM jravitz: as that will give you the most information
3:21 PM jravitz: it also takes up a ton of space
3:21 PM jravitz: so it isnt always easy
3:21 PM Pillowcase: heh right.
3:21 PM jravitz: have you played a lot of sealed deck
3:21 PM jravitz: in general?
3:22 PM Pillowcase: In general, I dont play much. As in, actually I play very little.
3:22 PM Pillowcase: I know the basics though. Like
3:23 PM jravitz: well
3:23 PM Pillowcase: creatures are good. good mana curve is good. Mana fixing is good. 2 colours + 1 splash is good. Splash for removal is good.
3:23 PM Pillowcase: Small 1/1 creatures not good. :P
3:23 PM jravitz: yup all of that is important
3:23 PM jravitz: definitely true
3:23 PM jravitz: some other things that are important are like
3:23 PM jravitz: card selection or card drawing
3:23 PM jravitz: and if those arent really aailable
3:23 PM jravitz: aailable...
3:24 PM jravitz: my keyboard is awesome
3:24 PM jravitz: you need some way to generate card advantage
3:24 PM jravitz: so cards like Plumeveil which not only kills an attacker (usually)
3:24 PM jravitz: and sticks around as a huge 4/4 annoyance
3:24 PM jravitz: goes up in value
3:24 PM jravitz: I mean Plumeveil is a great sealed deck card
3:24 PM jravitz: but that's just one example
3:24 PM jravitz: cards with Persist
3:25 PM jravitz: have some virtual card advantage
3:25 PM jravitz: so like before i was looking at the gold cards i took a glance at the scarecrows you have
3:25 PM Pillowcase: yes.I recognised plumeveil as being a good limited card, but it wouldnt fit in my final deck
3:25 PM jravitz: well your final deck was GR
3:25 PM jravitz: right?
3:25 PM jravitz: with a gloomlance?
3:25 PM Pillowcase: right.
3:25 PM jravitz: im not surethat's the correct build but if its where we end up, so be it :)
3:25 PM Pillowcase: But lets ignore that for now, and start from scratch
3:25 PM jravitz: yes
3:26 PM jravitz: so like i was saying
3:26 PM jravitz: your scarecrows
3:26 PM jravitz: the 6 mana 5/3 scarecrow that can have haste and persist is a good monster
3:26 PM jravitz: and the 3 mana persist flyer is great
3:26 PM jravitz: so if we can make use of those we should, it's something to keep in mind
3:26 PM jravitz: persist is such a versatile ability
3:26 PM jravitz: anyway lets get back to the gold cards
3:27 PM Pillowcase: okay.
3:27 PM jravitz: for the most part
3:27 PM jravitz: i mean im looking here
3:27 PM jravitz: and just about 3 or so of these
3:27 PM jravitz: are not playable
3:27 PM jravitz: while at the same time only 5 of them or so are very exciting
3:27 PM jravitz: so really we dont have inspiration here
3:27 PM jravitz: no rares to work around
3:27 PM jravitz: we do have wort
3:28 PM Pillowcase: Yes but Wort is hardly a huge bomb imo.
3:28 PM jravitz: but in my experience she is very mediocre
3:28 PM jravitz: ha :)
3:28 PM jravitz: she's good
3:28 PM jravitz: and if we're red or green
3:28 PM jravitz: we'll play her
3:28 PM Pillowcase: Basically, I have some good cards like kinks and ram-gang, but no bomb that says "I win"
3:28 PM jravitz: but she isn't great
3:28 PM jravitz: correct
3:28 PM jravitz: now
3:29 PM jravitz: the sealed deck format is very slow
3:29 PM jravitz: like you aren't going to die on turn 5
3:29 PM jravitz: you might die on turn 7 to an unsanswered enchantment
3:29 PM jravitz: like the green white, or blue white ones
3:29 PM jravitz: but that's the only way you'd really die that fast
3:29 PM Pillowcase: yes. 1st hand experience :P
3:29 PM jravitz: SO
3:29 PM jravitz: cards like
3:29 PM jravitz: Flame Javelin
3:29 PM jravitz: and Tower Above
3:29 PM Pillowcase: But I always maindeck enchantment removal.
3:29 PM jravitz: might be played in ALL our decks
3:29 PM jravitz: you know what i mean?
3:30 PM jravitz: yes, maindecking a card like gleeful sabotage
3:30 PM Pillowcase: yes. because they can be casted without coloured mana.
3:30 PM jravitz: will save you a considerable amount of headaches
3:30 PM jravitz: yeah
3:30 PM jravitz: and the effects are very powerful
3:30 PM Pillowcase: kinda like that... 33 morph red with hellbent from tsb.
3:30 PM jravitz: not only is Tower Above a removal spell
3:30 PM jravitz: but it also does a bunch of damage to your opponent
3:30 PM jravitz: while they're stuck making bad blocks
3:31 PM jravitz: so lets look at the colors here
3:31 PM jravitz: because as you said
3:31 PM jravitz: good mana is important
3:31 PM jravitz: we dont necessarily want to run 'off color' scarecrows
3:31 PM jravitz: because like
3:31 PM jravitz: they arent that good if they arent powered up
3:31 PM jravitz: and red=haste
3:31 PM jravitz: isn't that good in general
3:31 PM jravitz: like 5 mana for a 3/3 haste is OK
3:31 PM jravitz: but we dont want to play a whole deck of them
3:31 PM jravitz: compare that to the ram gang
3:31 PM jravitz: which has an ability the turn after
3:31 PM jravitz: etc
3:32 PM jravitz: so, what im doing now is manually sorting the gold cards by guild
3:33 PM Pillowcase: takes a while eh? xD
3:33 PM jravitz: it's not the easiest, nor the fastest
3:33 PM jravitz: but it's good
3:33 PM jravitz: a good exercise
3:33 PM jravitz: because it will show us
3:33 PM jravitz: that our red black cards...
3:34 PM jravitz: two of them are not good for sealed deck
3:34 PM jravitz: Traitor's Roar isn't going to make the cut most of the time
3:34 PM jravitz: it's an interesting sideboard card
3:34 PM jravitz: and in some draft decks it will serve a purpose
3:34 PM jravitz: but in general its too narrow and it isnt going to do it for us
3:34 PM Pillowcase: its not something I would consider, even for sideboard. =/
3:34 PM jravitz: not in sealed, i've boarded it in in draft and won with it but...
3:34 PM jravitz: niche
3:34 PM jravitz: situation
3:34 PM jravitz: while we have them sorted by guild we could also bring up the artifacts
3:35 PM jravitz: now actually you have 5 non-color-aligned artifacts
3:35 PM jravitz: lurebound scarecrow -- i dont like him
3:35 PM jravitz: he's a good deal
3:35 PM jravitz: but when he backfires
3:36 PM jravitz: you feel sorta stupid
3:36 PM Pillowcase: Yeah, but he's still good enough to be a playable. I think.
3:36 PM jravitz: i think he makes the cut in some decks
3:36 PM jravitz: and painters scarecrow makes him better
3:36 PM Pillowcase: You dont think so?
3:36 PM jravitz: i cut him all the time.
3:36 PM jravitz: personally
3:37 PM jravitz: so right now im looking at the gold and artifacts up top
3:37 PM jravitz: i have the rest at the bottom
3:37 PM jravitz: it wouldn't be hard to cut the bad cards out of the mono colored cards right now
3:37 PM jravitz: to clean it up even more
3:37 PM jravitz: in green we have 6 cards, 1 of which i would not play
3:37 PM jravitz: so mana reflection needs to go into another pile
3:37 PM Pillowcase: hehe
3:38 PM jravitz: i'd maindeck the rest
3:38 PM jravitz: so im fine leaving them all there
3:38 PM jravitz: it's not necessarily 100% that we'll play them all main...
3:38 PM jravitz: ya know
3:38 PM jravitz: but we might
3:38 PM jravitz: next we have red
3:38 PM Pillowcase: ok
3:38 PM jravitz: flame javelin and puncture bolt willalwaysmake the cut in a red deck
3:38 PM jravitz: the rest will not
3:38 PM jravitz: some are playable
3:38 PM jravitz: but again
3:39 PM Pillowcase: yes. I would play them even not in a red deck.
3:39 PM jravitz: yeah
3:39 PM jravitz: so really our red is kinda dry
3:39 PM jravitz: we dont have any great guys
3:39 PM Pillowcase: right.
3:39 PM jravitz: and our removal is good but it will be good in any deck
3:39 PM jravitz: we have no real reason to play red from down here
3:39 PM jravitz: anyway im gonna move everything but those two spells over to the mana reflection
3:39 PM jravitz: then we have black
3:39 PM jravitz: blowfly infestation is insanely powerful in the right deck
3:40 PM jravitz: but ive already looked and we dont hae the right cards
3:40 PM jravitz: so those arent going to be in our deck
3:40 PM jravitz: torture, gloomlance and faerie macabre are just solid cards
3:40 PM jravitz: and we'll play them ina black deck and be pretty happy aboutit
3:40 PM jravitz: aphotic wisps is useful
3:40 PM jravitz: because
3:40 PM jravitz: it turns off some of the enchantments
3:40 PM jravitz: ya know?
3:41 PM jravitz: your opponent attacks with a 2/2 wearing the blue white enchantment, so he's a 4/4 flying unblockable
3:41 PM jravitz: suddenly he's a 2/2 fear and he's gonna get smashed in combat
3:41 PM jravitz: and your opponent wont be too happy about that
3:41 PM Pillowcase: yup, but to play that just in case of a non black enchantment?
3:41 PM jravitz: yes
3:41 PM jravitz: it also costs 1 mana
3:41 PM jravitz: and digs into your dek
3:41 PM Pillowcase: hmm good points.
3:42 PM jravitz: its a card we're gonna play about half the time
3:42 PM jravitz: in a black deck
3:42 PM jravitz: that number depends on the other wisps we have
3:42 PM jravitz: im on to blue and the first card there is prismwake merrow
3:42 PM jravitz: he is like a creature form of a wisp
3:42 PM jravitz: only better
3:42 PM jravitz: in my book he's just great
3:43 PM jravitz: the 2 deepchannel mentors and the spell syphon
3:43 PM jravitz: are just about unplayable
3:43 PM jravitz: so that leaves us 3 cards, one is a wisp
3:43 PM jravitz: soblue isnt very deep
3:43 PM jravitz: lastly, white
3:43 PM jravitz: shielddare and mine excavation are cards we dont want to play
3:44 PM jravitz: strip bare is a good sideboard card
3:44 PM jravitz: and runed halo is VERY narrow
3:44 PM jravitz: i wouldnt recommend even considering it
3:44 PM Pillowcase: yeah :(
3:44 PM jravitz: i saw it used against a ghastlord of fugue once
3:44 PM Pillowcase: I know I didnt haha
3:44 PM jravitz: that was about the best application
3:44 PM jravitz: that ive seen
3:44 PM jravitz: shielddare might actually be okin some decks, i should say
3:45 PM jravitz: if you have a high end that cant be beat
3:45 PM jravitz: then it makes sense to solidify
3:45 PM jravitz: your defense
3:45 PM jravitz: in the early game
3:45 PM jravitz: but in general
3:45 PM jravitz: it isnt going to be played
3:45 PM Pillowcase: but with so much wither going around, not sure blocking is such a good strategy
3:45 PM jravitz: agreed
3:45 PM jravitz: for sure
3:45 PM jravitz: i wouldnt base a deck around
3:45 PM jravitz: blocking
3:45 PM jravitz: but sometimes you do what you have to
3:46 PM jravitz: for the gold cards now we'll cut the two black/red from before that are bad (duo, roar)
3:46 PM jravitz: the other badcar that i saw was giantbaiting
3:46 PM jravitz: it is too hard to get enoughvalue out of it
3:46 PM jravitz: and your opponent has allthe decisions when you cast it
3:46 PM jravitz: should i block, should i take it
3:46 PM jravitz: do i need to block
3:46 PM jravitz: etc
3:46 PM jravitz: it's a poor card
3:47 PM Pillowcase: right
3:47 PM jravitz: imsure you knew that :)
3:47 PM Pillowcase: yup :) but its nice to have you confirm what I thought.
3:47 PM jravitz: so now we have a very clear picture
3:47 PM jravitz: of what we hae
3:47 PM jravitz: have*
3:47 PM jravitz: black has two removal spells but our black guild cards are overall very underwhelming
3:48 PM jravitz: kulrath knight is great
3:48 PM Pillowcase: yup
3:48 PM jravitz: the rest are ok
3:48 PM jravitz: 3 scarecrows can benefit from black permanents
3:48 PM jravitz: but i thinkit isn't enough
3:48 PM jravitz: the azorious guild has
3:48 PM jravitz: quite a few good cards
3:49 PM jravitz: repel intruders can generate card advantage while dealing with a bomb your opponent might have
3:49 PM jravitz: and i consider it to be verrry good
3:49 PM jravitz: plumeveil - again
3:49 PM jravitz: fantastic
3:49 PM Pillowcase: yes, repel intruders, turn to mist, godhead ench
3:49 PM Pillowcase: yup
3:49 PM jravitz: turn to mist is a great trick
3:49 PM jravitz: steel is a great win condition
3:49 PM jravitz: but they're gonna be ready for it
3:49 PM jravitz: just as you'llbe ready for theirs
3:49 PM Pillowcase: but imo blue and white dont have the creatures to back up... So I didnt pick them in the end.
3:49 PM jravitz: so youneed to know when to use it!
3:49 PM jravitz: well the 2 cragheads are nice
3:49 PM jravitz: evasion creatures
3:50 PM jravitz: and theres the one scarecrow
3:50 PM jravitz: that uses both blue and white
3:50 PM jravitz: what i'd do at this point
3:50 PM jravitz: is
3:50 PM jravitz: take a look at a deck using all the blue cards
3:50 PM jravitz: and all the white cards
3:50 PM jravitz: that includes the green/white guild
3:50 PM jravitz: and the blue/black guild
3:50 PM jravitz: it's quite a big selection
3:50 PM Pillowcase: ok
3:51 PM jravitz: so let's do that
3:51 PM jravitz: actually
3:51 PM jravitz: before we do that
3:51 PM jravitz: i should note
3:51 PM jravitz: there are 4 artifacts
3:51 PM jravitz: tripnoose, elsewhere flask, painter's servant and scrapbasket
3:51 PM jravitz: they should be in consideration for all our decks
3:51 PM jravitz: especially the noose, the flask and the servant
3:52 PM Pillowcase: The flask isnt that good in this deck is it? Nothing to utilise it. Should I include it just for the "draw a card" ability? =/
3:52 PM jravitz: well
3:53 PM jravitz: we have the javelin and the other thing to consider
3:53 PM Pillowcase: I guess mana fixing... okay.
3:53 PM jravitz: well in those cases its pretty good i think
3:53 PM jravitz: plus again
3:53 PM jravitz: cantrip+Free ability
3:54 PM jravitz: you get the card back immediately
3:54 PM jravitz: so theres no real loss
3:54 PM jravitz: with absolutely EVERYTHING up top
3:54 PM jravitz: we have 30 cards by my count
3:54 PM jravitz: do you have 30?
3:55 PM Pillowcase: mmmph. I didnt follow you heh. Ill do that for our next set. Lets continue
3:55 PM jravitz: ok sure
3:55 PM jravitz: overall this deck looks *ok*
3:56 PM jravitz: the removal is light
3:56 PM jravitz: gives us only last breath, javelin, repel intruders
3:56 PM jravitz: this would be fine in some decks
3:56 PM jravitz: but wealso dont have a ton of evasion
3:56 PM jravitz: 3 of the 3/3s for 4 that can't be blocked by X
3:56 PM jravitz: 2 enchantments
3:56 PM jravitz: a couple otherflyers here and there
3:57 PM jravitz: minimal tricks with just a turn to dust, a torpor dust and a pumeveil
3:57 PM jravitz: not to mention we need to cut 7 cards
3:57 PM Pillowcase: yeah
3:57 PM jravitz: which might minimize some of these attributes
3:57 PM jravitz: but there are some good facets too
3:58 PM jravitz: hexhunter and turn to dust and noose means we probably wouldnt lose to an enchanment
3:58 PM jravitz: but this deck would probablyliterally roll over and die to a silkwing faerie
3:58 PM jravitz: which is just a common that 80% of the decks will probably hae
3:58 PM jravitz: have
3:59 PM Pillowcase: haha yup. In the actual games I played 3 decks each that consistently had 2 silkwing faeries in play. It made me sweat.
3:59 PM jravitz: it's totally important to keep inmind the format you're playing
3:59 PM jravitz: thats why gloomwidow's feast is good
3:59 PM jravitz: good enough to maindeck ya know?
3:59 PM Pillowcase: so very good
3:59 PM jravitz: ok so in the interest of time
3:59 PM jravitz: lets
3:59 PM jravitz: quickly get the colors back in order
4:00 PM jravitz: or i mean, ill do that
4:00 PM jravitz: :)
4:00 PM jravitz: i guess it's worth throwing out there that in the u/w deck
4:00 PM jravitz: our mana wasnt bad
4:01 PM jravitz: the hardest cards to cast that werent triple red or green
4:01 PM jravitz: werewanderbrine rootcutter
4:01 PM jravitz: and order of whiteclay
4:01 PM jravitz: having good mana is important because you want to minimize the ways you can lose the game
4:01 PM jravitz: (obviously)
4:01 PM jravitz: black/red isnt going to work
4:02 PM jravitz: we already saw that from before when red was cut down to one card
4:02 PM jravitz: and with just two in the gold
4:02 PM jravitz: it couldnt come together
4:02 PM jravitz: very often that will be the case
4:02 PM jravitz: those colors arent deep
4:02 PM jravitz: the removal is plentifuland good
4:02 PM jravitz: but you need a way to win the game too
4:03 PM jravitz: lets look at green white
4:03 PM Pillowcase: exactly. tricks will only get you your card advantage which is good, but all the advantage wont be of use if you cant kill the opponent.
4:03 PM jravitz: yep
4:03 PM jravitz: need to win the game toooooo
4:04 PM jravitz: green white is a 32-card pool
4:04 PM jravitz: and honestly
4:04 PM jravitz: it isn't that good
4:04 PM Pillowcase: hehehe
4:04 PM jravitz: it's hard to cast a lot of our cards
4:04 PM Pillowcase: honestly, when I first opened the packs
4:04 PM jravitz: (plumeveil is triple white)
4:04 PM Pillowcase: I looked at everything, and at a glance I knew I wouldnt get anything "really good".
4:05 PM jravitz: well
4:05 PM Pillowcase: yeah but we have to try anyway. ;)
4:05 PM jravitz: all i'd say is
4:05 PM jravitz: you never really know
4:05 PM jravitz: ive t8ed countless ptqs with decks i didnt like
4:05 PM jravitz: sometimes it plays well
4:05 PM jravitz: sometimes its just better than you thought
4:05 PM jravitz: and that's enough
4:06 PM jravitz: honestly
4:06 PM jravitz: the series of 4 mana 3/3s
4:06 PM jravitz: that cant be blocked
4:06 PM jravitz: they're good
4:06 PM jravitz: and i like them when i can cast it from both sies
4:06 PM jravitz: but when it's 2 and WW or 2 and BB
4:06 PM jravitz: i dont love it as much
4:06 PM jravitz: i think they're a bit hard to cast for what they are
4:06 PM jravitz: and are just good sideboard cards if they arent both of your colors
4:06 PM jravitz: colors
4:07 PM jravitz: lets scrap the greenwhite
4:07 PM jravitz: andmove to red/green
4:07 PM jravitz: 27 cards
4:08 PM jravitz: decent mana curve
4:09 PM jravitz: hexhunter, gleeful saotage, puncture bolt, elsewher flask,painter's servant, trip noose, devoted druid, shield of the oversoul,ram gang, farhaen elf, kitchen finks, gloomwindows feast, scrapbasket, drove of elves, safehold duo, sootwalkers, 2 of the red/greenscarecrow, kulrath knight,scuzzback maurauder, tower aboe, flame javelin, red/black scarecrow, 2 moreselhoarder and wort
4:09 PM jravitz: first round of cuts will be drove of elves and the red/black scarecrow
4:10 PM Pillowcase: you dont think drove of elves is good in this deck?
4:10 PM jravitz: i think it's ok
4:10 PM jravitz: let me check again actually
4:10 PM jravitz: with painters servant it might be quite good
4:10 PM jravitz: 12 and the servant really just isnt enough though
4:11 PM Pillowcase: :) even without, it is pretty good. esp when I draw wort
4:11 PM jravitz: true
4:11 PM jravitz: butttttt
4:11 PM jravitz: in my experience
4:11 PM jravitz: which is somewhat vast
4:11 PM jravitz: i tend to build my decks
4:11 PM jravitz: planning for the 'worst case' scenario
4:11 PM jravitz: rather than a best-case scenario
4:11 PM jravitz: like if you have wort in play
4:11 PM jravitz: you're doing pretty well
4:11 PM jravitz: next turn you might use tower above twice
4:11 PM jravitz: and that is game
4:12 PM jravitz: but drove of elves needs to be a 3/3 and a 4/4
4:12 PM jravitz: the turnafter
4:12 PM jravitz: and i dont think you can consistantly do it
4:12 PM jravitz: not to mention we have to cut 2 more cards (AT least)
4:12 PM Pillowcase: ok
4:12 PM jravitz: and keeping him inhere will make it more straine
4:12 PM jravitz: d
4:12 PM jravitz: safehold duo is pretty interesting in here
4:12 PM jravitz: i like it because its's g/w
4:13 PM jravitz: for the shield
4:13 PM jravitz: but i hate it otherwise
4:13 PM jravitz: sootwalkers is aso another card i wouldnt mind cutting
4:13 PM jravitz: but he's evasion
4:13 PM jravitz: and i think we can cut the flask in this deck
4:13 PM jravitz: all our cards are in-color
4:13 PM jravitz: ram-gang and tower and javelin
4:14 PM jravitz: so flask gives us 24
4:14 PM jravitz: and then it's either scrapbasket, sootwalkers or duo
4:14 PM jravitz: and actually i think it's scrapbasket
4:14 PM jravitz: what do you think?
4:14 PM Pillowcase: hmmm
4:14 PM jravitz: scrapbasket has the upside of being goodwith shields
4:15 PM Pillowcase: I would think the scrapbasket is bette rthan the sootwalkers, but I dont know :P
4:15 PM Pillowcase: I like how scrapbasket only uses colourless.
4:15 PM jravitz: true
4:15 PM jravitz: but our mana is actualy fairly good in this deck
4:15 PM Pillowcase: and actually, I like duo a lot too.
4:15 PM jravitz: with deoted druid and farhaven elf
4:15 PM jravitz: sootwalkers triggers the tattermunge duo's "good" half
4:15 PM jravitz: also, as im about to tell you
4:16 PM jravitz: in our sideboard we have two of these smash to smitheeroons
4:16 PM jravitz: or whatever its calle
4:16 PM jravitz: its a great sideboard card
4:16 PM jravitz: in our deck we have 4 or 5 targets
4:16 PM Pillowcase: we only have 1 smash.. or are you talking about ember gale?
4:16 PM jravitz: so it isnt relevant really
4:16 PM jravitz: oh
4:16 PM jravitz: just 1
4:16 PM jravitz: :)
4:16 PM jravitz: anyway
4:16 PM jravitz: we'd bring it in ag ainst decks that show us artifact creatures
4:16 PM jravitz: if our deck didnt already have FOUR other artifacts
4:16 PM jravitz: it would matter
4:17 PM jravitz: but if we could avoid having any artifacts in our deck we'd be better off
4:17 PM jravitz: since...
4:17 PM jravitz: in decks that are *Short* on cards
4:17 PM jravitz: it's a fine card to maindeck
4:17 PM jravitz: but since we cant deny them targets alltogether
4:17 PM jravitz: theres no point in considering that, this time
4:17 PM jravitz: so for me, it's the scrapbasket that im cutting
4:17 PM jravitz: and my final deck is
4:17 PM Pillowcase: yeah I didnt maindeck it because I had gleeful sabotage already.
4:18 PM jravitz: hexhunter, serant, noose, ram-gang, farhaven elf, finks, duo, duo, sootwalkers, 2 r/g scarecrow, maurauders, 2 morselhoarer, wort, deoted druid, bolt, saotage, shield, feast, javelin, tower above
4:18 PM jravitz: not a bad deck
4:18 PM jravitz: for mana green is overwhelmingly more abundant than red
4:18 PM jravitz: so it would be 9 and 8
4:19 PM jravitz: in favor of green
4:19 PM jravitz: how far off was your final deck?
4:19 PM Pillowcase: I had a gloomlance
4:19 PM jravitz: oh right!
4:19 PM jravitz: good
4:19 PM jravitz: i meant to talk about splashing
4:19 PM jravitz: befoer we got started on another deck
4:19 PM Pillowcase: I didnt play the painters servant. I underestimated its usefulness.
4:19 PM jravitz: oh
4:19 PM jravitz: WELL
4:19 PM jravitz: let me first address the servant
4:19 PM jravitz: first, he's a good deal
4:19 PM Pillowcase: and I played drove of elves.
4:20 PM jravitz: 1/3 for 2
4:20 PM jravitz: he can stop any other 2 drop
4:20 PM jravitz: and kill a few of them (medicine runner, somnomancer)
4:20 PM jravitz: but
4:20 PM jravitz: if you name RED
4:20 PM Pillowcase: Since the only cards that needed red was javelin, puncture bolt and kulrath knight (for me) I only ran 6 mountain. And I had 2 morselhoarder so I only ran 1 swamp.
4:20 PM jravitz: all your spells will trigger for tattermunge duo
4:20 PM jravitz: similarly, if you name green
4:20 PM jravitz: your other duo will get a huge bonus
4:21 PM jravitz: so, if you draw him after a duo dies, that's how you'll choose
4:21 PM jravitz: *or*
4:21 PM jravitz: if you have sootwalkers
4:21 PM jravitz: you can name white
4:21 PM jravitz: and swing with abandon
4:21 PM jravitz: lastly if you're about to play gloomwidow's feast..
4:21 PM jravitz: or your shield of the oversoul
4:21 PM jravitz: know what i mean?
4:21 PM jravitz: it has a ton of applications
4:21 PM jravitz: i really like it
4:21 PM jravitz: now as for splashing gloomlance
4:22 PM jravitz: since our flask would be under utilized in this deck (we hardly have much use for it)
4:22 PM jravitz: it would be conceivable to keep it in play for the gloomlance
4:22 PM Pillowcase: yeah. :) makes sense.
4:22 PM jravitz: andwith two morselhoarders it might seem even more tempting but
4:23 PM jravitz: lets say we play morselhoarder on turn 5
4:23 PM jravitz: with one of our elves
4:23 PM jravitz: that means the eariest we can gloomlance is on turn 6
4:23 PM jravitz: thats in the perfect world
4:23 PM jravitz: now all the downsides
4:23 PM jravitz: 1: we hav RRR GGG and RGRGRG
4:23 PM jravitz: two swamps is a BIG Impact
4:24 PM Pillowcase: yup, so I just ran one D:
4:24 PM jravitz: 2: more often than not, it will just be stuck in our hand
4:24 PM jravitz: oh you ran one swamp ?
4:24 PM jravitz: that hardly makes any sense ! :)
4:24 PM Pillowcase: with farhaven elf its like I had 2 :)
4:24 PM jravitz: well
4:24 PM jravitz: heres the thing
4:24 PM jravitz: farhaven elf fethces your swamp
4:24 PM jravitz: but
4:24 PM jravitz: theres only one swamp in your whole deck
4:25 PM jravitz: gloomlance always costs BB
4:25 PM Pillowcase: yup, so I relied n my 2 morselfs
4:25 PM jravitz: meaning your flask or your hoarders
4:25 PM jravitz: theres almost no reason to run one swamp
4:25 PM jravitz: 0, or 2+
4:25 PM jravitz: if you run 2 it's like youh ave 3
4:25 PM jravitz: (with FH elf)
4:25 PM jravitz: 3 for 1 card isnt unreasonable
4:25 PM Pillowcase: well, sometimes I used morsels ability for other stuff (like keeping it alive)
4:25 PM jravitz: oh
4:25 PM jravitz: true
4:25 PM jravitz: i usually use the mana immediately
4:25 PM jravitz: becuse i want thefull craw wurm
4:25 PM jravitz: and not some mini wurm
4:26 PM Pillowcase: I usually dont have anything to cast after casting it :P. 6cc is not small
4:26 PM jravitz: which is another point
4:26 PM jravitz: you wont reliably be able to cast it
4:26 PM jravitz: gloomlance, that is
4:26 PM jravitz: in general i like to splash
4:26 PM jravitz: an with guild manait is even easier
4:26 PM jravitz: but theres nohing here worth splashing
4:26 PM jravitz: gloomlance is good
4:27 PM jravitz: but too hard to use
4:27 PM jravitz: in this deck
4:28 PM jravitz: alright so
4:28 PM jravitz: im gonna get up for about 3 mins
4:28 PM jravitz: ill be back
4:28 PM jravitz: and we'll resume
4:28 PM Pillowcase: right
4:34 PM Pillowcase: ok. In hindsight I shouldve played black white. But we'll see
4:35 PM jravitz: wowowow
4:35 PM jravitz: 2 ascensions
4:35 PM Pillowcase: :)
4:36 PM jravitz: ok the first thing
4:36 PM jravitz: i'd try to do
4:36 PM jravitz: if i saw that
4:36 PM jravitz: would be to build mono white
4:36 PM jravitz: and see if its possible
4:37 PM Pillowcase: Oh, how do you sort your cards into top and bottom?
4:37 PM jravitz: i just move them
4:37 PM Pillowcase: I have cards in my deck and sideboard now
4:37 PM jravitz: by hand
4:37 PM Pillowcase: if I move them by hand to the cardpool
4:37 PM jravitz: i just grab themall
4:37 PM jravitz: andmove 'em
4:37 PM jravitz: noooooooo
4:37 PM jravitz: not the cardpool
4:37 PM Pillowcase: they get mixed up with other cards
4:38 PM jravitz: i minimized the cardpool
4:38 PM jravitz: i just have two frames
4:38 PM jravitz: DECK
4:38 PM jravitz: and BOARD
4:38 PM Pillowcase: yup
4:38 PM jravitz: so im moving between dekc and board
4:38 PM jravitz: but nothing is really set in stone
4:39 PM jravitz: now actually
4:39 PM jravitz: we can build mono white
4:40 PM jravitz: the next logical question
4:40 PM jravitz: is shouldwe
4:40 PM jravitz: 16 plains is our best possible situationfor 2 armored ascensions
4:41 PM Pillowcase: makes a lot of sense now. I didnt think about that. I was a mess this mroning :)
4:41 PM jravitz: and that's a big push in the right direction
4:41 PM jravitz: for the record
4:41 PM jravitz: 23 cards i want to play in this deck are
4:42 PM jravitz: strip b are, zealous guardian, nieous wisps, mercy killing, tatterkite, ballyknock cohort, silkbind faeries, thisledown duom, 2 ascension,lockjawsnapper, cragheads, rabble, dragoons, duo, scrapbasket, ghastbark, thornwatch scarecrow
4:42 PM jravitz: and the last card would be either mine excavation
4:42 PM jravitz: or safewright quest
4:43 PM jravitz: mine excavation is pretty bad
4:43 PM jravitz: but we have a few artifact creatures4:43 PM jravitz: oh 4:43 PM jravitz: i forgot to list two drops
4:43 PM jravitz: curse of chians, blight sickle, puresight merrow, safehold sentry, somnomancer
4:43 PM jravitz: exccavation wouldnt be bad in this deck
4:43 PM jravitz: so i'd run tat
4:43 PM jravitz: that
4:44 PM jravitz: that would be our mono white deck
4:44 PM jravitz: now as for the cards were not playing
4:44 PM jravitz: murderous redcap
4:44 PM jravitz: boartusk liege
4:44 PM jravitz: river's grasp
4:44 PM jravitz: those are our best cards
4:44 PM jravitz: that arent in the deck
4:45 PM jravitz: if we built a blue black deck
4:45 PM Pillowcase: ok
4:45 PM jravitz: or a black red deck
4:45 PM jravitz: would it be as good
4:45 PM jravitz: that's the question
4:45 PM Pillowcase: I wont even be thinking of playing non white though?
4:45 PM jravitz: well
4:45 PM jravitz: the mono white deck
4:45 PM jravitz: gets all its benefits from being mono white
4:46 PM jravitz: your ascensions are still good with 9 plains
4:46 PM jravitz: but not nearly as good
4:46 PM jravitz: the rest of your white
4:46 PM jravitz: is *OK*
4:46 PM jravitz: but it combines to make something good ya know?
4:46 PM jravitz: all together
4:46 PM Pillowcase: yup
4:46 PM jravitz: like muscle sliver
4:46 PM jravitz: by himsel
4:46 PM jravitz: is a 2/2 for 2
4:47 PM jravitz: not bad
4:47 PM jravitz: but if u have our 4 of them
4:47 PM Pillowcase: 44 for 5? :P
4:47 PM jravitz: :)
4:47 PM jravitz: hmm
4:47 PM jravitz: that one is might sliver
4:47 PM jravitz: muscle sliver is from tempest :)
4:47 PM Pillowcase: my bad
4:47 PM Pillowcase: muscle sounds... brutish haha
4:47 PM jravitz: yeah
4:47 PM jravitz: they remade him
4:47 PM jravitz: as sinew sliver
4:48 PM jravitz: so we have
4:48 PM jravitz: our mono white deck
4:48 PM jravitz: lets look at another build
4:50 PM jravitz: of our good cards
4:50 PM jravitz: the only ones that cant be played with black or blue mana
4:50 PM jravitz: are puncture bolt and boartusk liege
4:50 PM jravitz: the liege of course is not that great in a non red creature deck
4:50 PM jravitz: (or green)
4:51 PM jravitz: so we shouldnt even worry about him
4:51 PM Pillowcase: yes. and the liege isnt really good without red/green
4:51 PM jravitz: but thebol we can probaby play with the cairns we have
4:52 PM jravitz: ok so with the bolt
4:52 PM jravitz: i have 27 cards
4:52 PM jravitz: are you following along this time
4:52 PM jravitz: i know we didnt go through the whole process this time
4:52 PM Pillowcase: well, I sorted the cards. But you didnt say what colour you were looking at after mono white. So I dont know what youre looking at
4:53 PM jravitz: ok no problem
4:53 PM jravitz: im looking at blue/black (including black/red)
4:53 PM jravitz: of the colored cards
4:53 PM jravitz: i didnt bring up
4:53 PM jravitz: ghastly discovery, any of the 3 initiates, the shade guy, or cinderbones
4:53 PM Pillowcase: Alright. And white/blue of course.
4:53 PM jravitz: of the gold cards
4:53 PM jravitz: (yes!)
4:54 PM jravitz: i didnt bring up either roar
4:54 PM jravitz: either salvage
4:54 PM jravitz: or the torment
4:54 PM jravitz: now in general
4:54 PM jravitz: every deck
4:54 PM jravitz: that isnt a beatdown deck
4:54 PM jravitz: doesnt want to miss land drops
4:54 PM jravitz: so while our 16 land mono white deck didnt really want to draw a 7th land all game
4:54 PM jravitz: this deck doesnt want to miss a land drop; it needs 17 or 18 lands
4:55 PM jravitz: so we need to cut 5 or 4 cards
4:55 PM Pillowcase: yup
4:55 PM jravitz: did you get to 27?
4:55 PM jravitz: just want to make sure we're in the same place
4:55 PM Pillowcase: Im sorting.
4:55 PM jravitz: ok take your time
4:55 PM jravitz: im gonna brb gasin
4:55 PM jravitz: again
4:56 PM Pillowcase: are we only looking at multicoloured cards?
4:59 PM jravitz: nah i have them all up there
4:59 PM jravitz: aphotic wisp
4:59 PM jravitz: puncture bolt
4:59 PM jravitz: sickle ripper
4:59 PM jravitz: macabre
4:59 PM jravitz: consign, infenstation
4:59 PM jravitz: whimwader, clique
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5:01 PM Pillowcase: well with those....
5:01 PM Pillowcase: And including ALL the b/u, b/r, u/w cards. I have 28.
5:02 PM jravitz: 28
5:02 PM jravitz: i cut ealous guardian already
5:02 PM jravitz: do you still have him?
5:02 PM Pillowcase: not anymroe :)
5:02 PM jravitz: ok cool
5:02 PM jravitz: so now with this deck our goal is different
5:02 PM jravitz: i cut ealous guardian already
5:02 PM jravitz: do you still have him?
5:02 PM Pillowcase: not anymroe :)
5:02 PM jravitz: ok cool
5:02 PM jravitz: so now with this deck our goal is different
5:03 PM jravitz: through persist, free kills from blowfly infestation
5:03 PM jravitz: etc
5:03 PM jravitz: BUT
5:03 PM jravitz: this deck can't do it really
5:04 PM Pillowcase: yup.... in fact. blowfly doesnt work in sealed. draft maybe. imo.
5:04 PM jravitz: might be the case
5:04 PM jravitz: overall
5:04 PM jravitz: despite both RIVER'S GRASP and MURDEROUS REDCAP
5:04 PM jravitz: this deck pales in comparison to two hyper-powered ascensions
5:05 PM jravitz: now you're probably wondering
5:05 PM jravitz: why
5:05 PM jravitz: we dont try to build white/
5:05 PM jravitz: x
5:05 PM jravitz: but what would we build
5:05 PM jravitz: our best black cards are BB and BBB
5:05 PM jravitz: which means we cant play just 5
5:05 PM Pillowcase: Actually, I think w/b might be good, but we might have mana issues.
5:05 PM Pillowcase: exactlky.
5:05 PM jravitz: so like
5:06 PM jravitz: if we run a normal manabase
5:06 PM jravitz: 9/8
5:06 PM jravitz: or 9/9
5:06 PM jravitz: our ascensions arent as good as they can be
5:07 PM Pillowcase: yup, but then I think the black cards are really good too, and have 2 somewhat good ascensions and some good black cards is better than having just SUPER good ascensions? Your experience?
5:07 PM jravitz: my experience is nope
5:07 PM jravitz: like with the white deck
5:07 PM jravitz: a normalgame will be like
5:07 PM jravitz: 1 drop or 2 drop but not necessarily both
5:07 PM jravitz: then 3 drop
5:07 PM jravitz: if your opponet is tapped out youre going to play ascension or another guy
5:08 PM jravitz: and if they arent just another guy
5:08 PM jravitz: or curse of chains and attack for 2
5:08 PM jravitz: or something like that
5:08 PM jravitz: and when they finally to tap out
5:08 PM jravitz: you'll take your worst guy to the air
5:08 PM jravitz: and suddenly your opponent needs to answer that guy and your other guys
5:08 PM jravitz: building all the pressureyou can
5:08 PM jravitz: thatkind of deck doesnt even really need remoal
5:08 PM jravitz: removal
5:09 PM Pillowcase: so you feel our best option is mono white?
5:09 PM jravitz: yes!
5:09 PM jravitz: which is exciting
5:09 PM jravitz: i mean the mono white deck is not perfect
5:09 PM jravitz: it doesnt have an oversoulof duskor a twilight shepherd
5:09 PM jravitz: no high end rarecreature
5:09 PM jravitz: but 2 ascensions
5:10 PM jravitz: i think the deck would day 2 a GP
5:10 PM jravitz: or t8 a PTQ
5:10 PM jravitz: with ease
5:10 PM jravitz: whereas this deck would have a lo of trouble
5:10 PM jravitz: squeakinto day 2, or t16 a gp
5:10 PM Pillowcase: which deck would t8 and ptq?
5:10 PM Pillowcase: if I had a twilight shepard?
5:10 PM Pillowcase: haha
5:10 PM jravitz: nono
5:10 PM jravitz: the white deck would t8 / day 2 easily
5:10 PM jravitz: the BU would have trouble
5:11 PM Pillowcase: Yup, the white deck is really strong because of the ascensions.
5:11 PM jravitz: yeah
5:11 PM jravitz: and the wisp and somnomancer
5:11 PM jravitz: get in lots of damage
5:11 PM jravitz: they only hve 20 life
5:12 PM jravitz: thats something you should keep in mind ya know
5:12 PM jravitz: ont have to build a deck that does 20000 damage
5:13 PM jravitz: anyway
5:13 PM jravitz: thats how i'd build this deck
5:13 PM Pillowcase: mm have you played in any release events?
5:13 PM Pillowcase: onlione?
5:13 PM jravitz: nope not yet
5:13 PM jravitz: i might play one later
5:13 PM jravitz: or tomorrow
5:14 PM Pillowcase: Arlight then. I was thinking of playing a test match and you can catch my play errors, but you dont have a deck to play with I guess.
5:14 PM jravitz: i dont have any cards
5:14 PM jravitz: for that i am sorry
5:14 PM Pillowcase: np.
5:14 PM jravitz: we can take a look at more pools if you like
5:14 PM jravitz: or if you have questions
5:14 PM jravitz: or really anything you want
5:14 PM jravitz: ive been doing a lot of talking
5:14 PM jravitz: so if you have anything you want to say
5:14 PM jravitz: or ask
5:15 PM jravitz: still have a bunch of time
5:15 PM Pillowcase: yup, but I dont have a lot to say or ask anyway... hehe. Lets have a look at the deck Alpha sent then?
5:16 PM jravitz: sure thing
5:16 PM Pillowcase: I wish I saw pools like this,. It klooks pretty bombtastic.
5:17 PM Pillowcase: 2 prison terms
5:17 PM jravitz: lol
5:17 PM jravitz: im not there yet
5:17 PM jravitz: one sec
5:17 PM Pillowcase: godhead + shepard for end game
5:17 PM Pillowcase: shield and steel
5:17 PM Pillowcase: 2 finks. safehld elite, somno.
5:17 PM jravitz: lol
5:17 PM Pillowcase: Life isnt fair
5:18 PM jravitz: sounds perfect
5:18 PM jravitz: 2 last breath
5:18 PM jravitz: 2 prison term
5:18 PM jravitz: lol
5:18 PM Pillowcase: hge didnt play aetherthrow. i wonder why
5:18 PM Pillowcase: yeah.... life ISNT FAIR
5:18 PM Pillowcase cries.
5:20 PM jravitz: truly amazing
5:20 PM jravitz: but actually he doesnt have enough to go mono white
5:20 PM jravitz: only about 19 cards by my count
5:20 PM Pillowcase: he tried thats for sure :)
5:20 PM Pillowcase: I think he couldve
5:20 PM Pillowcase: if he pushed a little.
5:20 PM jravitz: 22 if you play the 3 bad 6 and 7 drops
5:21 PM jravitz: but i dont like them
5:21 PM Pillowcase: woeleecher, wisps, wetherthrow and another wayfarer in the place of the 4 green he is playing. and there you have a mono white deck.
5:21 PM jravitz: oh
5:21 PM jravitz: the one
5:21 PM jravitz: i opened
5:21 PM jravitz: was unbuilt
5:21 PM Pillowcase: sealed deck.dek?
5:21 PM jravitz: sealed deck.dek
5:21 PM jravitz: yessir
5:21 PM Pillowcase: oh I opened the built one.
5:22 PM jravitz: no big deal
5:22 PM Pillowcase: alright, if not monowhite, then question would be w/u or w/g?
5:22 PM jravitz: right
5:22 PM jravitz: but i was thinking
5:22 PM jravitz: neither of those might be the best
5:23 PM jravitz: he has some decent cards inhis board
5:23 PM jravitz: he can play this beseech the queen inhis white deck
5:23 PM jravitz: for what its worth
5:23 PM Pillowcase: Im leaning towards w/u just because of godhead.
5:23 PM jravitz: since he definitely has cards worth tutoring for
5:23 PM jravitz: yeah
5:23 PM jravitz: the cards i like in his board are like
5:23 PM jravitz: cultbrand cinder
5:23 PM jravitz: and the big giant
5:23 PM jravitz: grief tyrant
5:23 PM jravitz: and with a little more commitment
5:23 PM jravitz: we can play gloomlance
5:23 PM jravitz: and torture
5:23 PM jravitz: BUT
5:24 PM jravitz: our deck wants more cheap guys
5:24 PM jravitz: for the two enchantments
5:24 PM jravitz: and godhead of awe is a compelling argument
5:24 PM jravitz: for playing islands
5:25 PM jravitz: briarberry cohort isour best blue creature
5:25 PM Pillowcase: right!
5:25 PM jravitz: but we cant play him really
5:25 PM Pillowcase: not enough bluye creatures eh
5:26 PM jravitz: nah definitely not
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5:26 PM jravitz: he's not really good enough without
5:26 PM jravitz: more blue creatures
5:27 PM jravitz: lets get the harpoonist
5:27 PM jravitz: and the wanderbrine guy
5:27 PM jravitz: so our choices are a weak briarberry cohort
5:27 PM jravitz: (7+basket)
5:27 PM jravitz: torpor dust #1
5:27 PM jravitz: which is ok
5:27 PM jravitz: but not great
5:28 PM jravitz: blight sickle, which we dont really want because it's basically another creature enchantment
5:28 PM jravitz: and we're kind of short on creature enchantments
5:28 PM jravitz: chainbreaker which does almost nothing for us
5:28 PM jravitz: gnarled effigy which might be ok since this format is slow
5:28 PM jravitz: and actually looks like our best option
5:28 PM jravitz: butwe still need another card
5:28 PM jravitz: so i think the cohort is going to come in
5:28 PM jravitz: which is sort of sad
5:28 PM Pillowcase: heh
5:29 PM jravitz: or we can play the beseech
5:29 PM jravitz: which will always cost 6
5:29 PM jravitz: and always get a flying rare
5:29 PM jravitz: might be worth it
5:29 PM Pillowcase: yeah, good point.
5:29 PM jravitz: might be better than the effigy
5:29 PM jravitz: i hate the effigy
5:30 PM Pillowcase: but 6 for a sorcery speed tutor... well, normally I wouldnt be thrilled, but we have some bombs here.
5:30 PM jravitz: it might be too hard to use
5:30 PM jravitz: you need to be in a position where
5:30 PM jravitz: you're totally at parity
5:30 PM jravitz: or ahead
5:31 PM Pillowcase: exactly. what effigy? Im blind,.
5:31 PM jravitz: we have four enchantments
5:31 PM jravitz: it's
5:31 PM jravitz: Gnarled Effigy
5:31 PM jravitz: 4 mana for a blank
5:31 PM jravitz: that costs 4
5:31 PM jravitz: to activate
5:31 PM jravitz: and puts -1/-1 counters
5:31 PM Pillowcase: oh I see it.
5:32 PM Pillowcase: I dont know about the effigy. It is really slow.
5:32 PM jravitz: it's really slow
5:32 PM jravitz: but we do have the godhead
5:32 PM Pillowcase: yeah. which combos really nicely :O
5:32 PM jravitz: so for example
5:32 PM jravitz: anyone with a -1/-1 counter will die
5:33 PM jravitz: the turn godhead comes into play of course
5:33 PM Pillowcase: Including my own creatures too though
5:33 PM jravitz: sure
5:33 PM jravitz: but you only have 3 persist guys
5:33 PM jravitz: and hopefully you can use those all up
5:33 PM jravitz: while you're effigying their guys
5:33 PM jravitz: setting up your godhead
5:33 PM jravitz: plus with two prison terms
5:34 PM jravitz: youcan kind of selectively remove their guys
5:34 PM jravitz: in such a way that behooves you
5:34 PM Pillowcase: yeah
5:34 PM jravitz: i actually kind of like it in this deck
5:34 PM jravitz: maybe i am just convincing myself
5:34 PM jravitz: but it seems ok
5:35 PM Pillowcase: It seems okay, but the few times ive actually seen it at work its really slow.
5:35 PM jravitz: definitely really slow
5:35 PM jravitz: but we're looking at two slow options right
5:35 PM jravitz: i guess torpor dust might just be better
5:35 PM jravitz: since any ground guy that gets stuck
5:35 PM jravitz: will just get flown over
5:35 PM Pillowcase: torpor dust is really powerful I think
5:35 PM jravitz: you like it?
5:36 PM jravitz: since we basically have no creatures
5:36 PM jravitz: that we can put in
5:36 PM jravitz: it seems like a fine choice
5:36 PM Pillowcase: yup, its weak removal, but its still removal :P
5:36 PM jravitz: probably you have a point
5:36 PM jravitz: i woulldnt mind playing two dusts in this deck
5:36 PM jravitz: plus it's a nice trick
5:36 PM jravitz: with glamer spinners
5:36 PM jravitz: if that comes up
5:37 PM jravitz: i'd be comfortable playing one torpor dust and 18 land
5:37 PM jravitz: if we run two torpor dusts
5:37 PM Pillowcase: Is the deck that mana intensive?
5:37 PM jravitz: we can play puca's mischief
5:38 PM Pillowcase: hmm I wouldnt play puca's mischief...
5:38 PM jravitz: it's weak
5:38 PM jravitz: but with 4 good enchantments
5:38 PM jravitz: to swap for their guys
5:38 PM jravitz: it is effective
5:39 PM jravitz: better if we had more
5:39 PM jravitz: like curse of chains
5:39 PM jravitz: etc
5:39 PM Pillowcase: hmm... yeah I never thought of it that way :)
5:39 PM jravitz: the only ones you cant use
5:39 PM jravitz: are the prison terms
5:39 PM jravitz: because then they can move them to your guys
5:39 PM Pillowcase: yup
5:39 PM jravitz: but dusts and godhead enchantments work
5:39 PM jravitz: even the blue white one, you'll still gain the life
5:40 PM Pillowcase: yup
5:41 PM jravitz: alright
5:41 PM jravitz: i dont see any other way to build this
5:41 PM jravitz: the other colors are so sparse
5:42 PM Pillowcase: yeah... its like the deck is built already. I hope I oipen something like this
5:42 PM Pillowcase: well, + an oona. That would really be swet.
5:42 PM jravitz: lol :)
5:42 PM jravitz: you dont need SO MANY bombs!
5:42 PM jravitz: just a couple is enough ;)
5:43 PM Pillowcase: You saw my previous 2 pools. Let me dream!
5:43 PM jravitz: :)
5:43 PM jravitz: i like doing well with bad pools
5:43 PM Pillowcase: so the final decklist I have is
5:43 PM jravitz: it gives me a nice warm feeling
5:44 PM Pillowcase: both those pools gave me 3-2. I made play errors though, so heh.
5:44 PM jravitz: hmm
5:44 PM jravitz: is it 4-1 or better to get prize
5:44 PM Pillowcase: 2x last breath, 2x prison term, shepard
5:44 PM Pillowcase: I get 4 packs at 3-2. 2-3 gets 2 packs. I play in the so called "casual" queue.
5:44 PM jravitz: ohh
5:44 PM jravitz: i didnt even know there was one :(
5:45 PM Pillowcase: hehe. its time intensive though, with max time of 1.5 hours each round.
5:45 PM jravitz: oh wow
5:45 PM jravitz: thats crazy
5:45 PM jravitz: have to commit like an entire week to doing one :)
5:46 PM Pillowcase: 2x torpor dust, pucas mischief, aetherthrow, shield, steel, gragheads, 2x spinners, godhead, 2x finks, safehold, somno.
5:46 PM jravitz: im not sure about the mischief
5:46 PM jravitz: it might be too bad with only 4
5:46 PM jravitz: it could be great though
5:47 PM Pillowcase: hehe. yup. maybe ill drop it for another creature.
5:47 PM jravitz: wishwe had more creatures in this pool
5:47 PM jravitz: so
5:47 PM jravitz: you dont play that much you said?
5:47 PM jravitz: just casual?
5:49 PM Pillowcase: well, ive been playing on and off and on and off since urzzas
5:49 PM Pillowcase: more off than on
5:49 PM jravitz: ah
5:49 PM jravitz: ive been playing since umm
5:49 PM jravitz: the first set they released was mirage
5:50 PM Pillowcase: eh? alpha beta unlimited arabian nights?
5:50 PM Pillowcase: but it wasnt a "block" I guess.
5:50 PM jravitz: no no
5:51 PM jravitz: i meanthe first one they released when i was playing
5:51 PM jravitz: wasmirage :)
5:51 PM Pillowcase: So yeah, I play mostly casual. for paper, my limitations was $$$, and time. For online, its just $$$ :)
5:51 PM jravitz: are you astudent
5:51 PM Pillowcase: yes. A very poor one
5:51 PM Pillowcase: haha
5:52 PM jravitz: ah
5:52 PM Pillowcase: I enjoy magic a lot. And I especially enjoy chattin with people while playing. That I dont get as much online.
5:52 PM jravitz: yeah
5:52 PM jravitz: online is a totally differente xpiernece
5:52 PM jravitz: less magic
5:52 PM jravitz: more game
5:52 PM Pillowcase: you mean more magic (the game), less chatting.
5:53 PM jravitz: no, like more game like it's like warcraft or something
5:53 PM jravitz: it's not really magic
5:53 PM Pillowcase: I rget really irritated when people dont even bother saying GG especially after theyve pummeled you with their deck
5:53 PM jravitz: lol
5:53 PM jravitz: i usually dont say good game
5:54 PM jravitz: like
5:54 PM jravitz: unless it was
5:54 PM jravitz: if one of us got mana hosed
5:54 PM jravitz: then idont want to be a jerk
5:54 PM jravitz: and say goodgame
5:54 PM jravitz: even though they didnt have a goodgame ya know
5:55 PM Pillowcase: ya I understand. but If the opponent is mana hosed I would say something and like, show a sadface or something because neither of us is enojying the game. I dont like when Someone plays, doesnt say hello, doesnt say gg. You know. No talking at all?
5:55 PM jravitz: yeah
5:55 PM jravitz: i agree
5:55 PM jravitz: but there are also some people who dont speak english on here
5:55 PM jravitz: so thats one more thing :)
5:55 PM jravitz: but i agree
5:55 PM jravitz: its important to be friendly
5:55 PM jravitz: good to enjoy it
5:56 PM Pillowcase: yah. Oh well. Thanks for coming to help me.
5:56 PM jravitz: good to make your opponent enjoy it
5:56 PM jravitz: anything else?
5:56 PM jravitz: mana questions?
5:56 PM jravitz: sideboarding?
5:56 PM Pillowcase: Its almost 6 now, ill let you go now hehe
5:56 PM jravitz: alrighttttttttt well i hope you learned a thing or two
5:56 PM Alpha_Centauri1: thanks for doing this again Josh
5:56 PM Pillowcase: I did, thanks.
5:56 PM jravitz: you're welcome.. enjoy
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